[00:16:07] *** Quits: daherb (~daherb@ppp-93-104-168-39.dynamic.mnet-online.de) (Quit: leaving) [03:31:26] inariksit | would make more sense to have PN also have Agr instead of just Gender [03:33:38] On consideration, it makes sense for PN to be singular. I was shoehorning 2 names linked with "and" into one name. [03:35:58] Except for British English examples like "Germany have won the competition.", "Madrid have lost three consecutive matches." [03:36:21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_noun [05:42:37] *** Quits: spectre (~fran@115.114.202.84.customer.cdi.no) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [06:16:31] *** Joins: crazydiamond (~crazydiam@178.141.72.239) [07:27:25] *** Quits: crazydiamond (~crazydiam@178.141.72.239) (Remote host closed the connection) [08:14:28] *** Joins: spectre (~fran@195.69.7.6) [08:40:58] *** Quits: spectre (~fran@195.69.7.6) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [08:51:08] *** Joins: spectre (~fran@195.69.7.6) [08:56:16] *** Quits: spectre (~fran@195.69.7.6) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [09:55:50] klingon is good for a language that has neat concatenative morphology :-) [09:56:19] though Hungarian too has very little stem variation, basically shortening and lengthening [10:28:41] *** Joins: crazydiamond (~crazydiam@178.141.72.200) [11:00:07] *** Joins: spectre (~fran@b132.tll.aero) [11:06:03] drbean: in some other RGL languages PN is not by default singular [11:06:58] but yeah, it will be made into NP anyway, and those can have any agr [11:51:54] *** Quits: vin-ivar (~vinit@122.169.36.220) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [11:55:45] *** Quits: spectre (~fran@b132.tll.aero) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [11:56:53] *** Quits: jmvanel (~jmvanel@18.32.144.77.rev.sfr.net) (Read error: No route to host) [12:12:02] *** Joins: vin-ivar (~vinit@122.179.145.179) [12:23:24] *** Joins: spectre (~fran@140-44-71-217.dyn.internet.emt.ee) [12:39:41] *** Quits: spectre (~fran@140-44-71-217.dyn.internet.emt.ee) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [12:49:23] *** Quits: drbean (~drbean@124.219.83.138) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [13:13:54] *** Joins: LukeG (c1eb41dc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.235.65.220) [13:58:59] hi LukeG! [13:59:12] did you have a good lecture today? [14:02:06] Hey! :) [14:02:23] Yes, it was great. Really motivated me to properly start reading the book haha. [14:02:52] How are things going with you? [14:03:44] good :) just preparing my slides for monday, I'm going to nodalida in vilnius [14:04:14] *Googles* [14:04:30] Oh, it's a big computational linguistics conference? [14:04:36] *** Quits: vin-ivar (~vinit@122.179.145.179) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [14:05:21] hehe, not that big, but yeah it's a computational linguistics conference :) [14:05:43] I'm presenting on monday in the constraint grammar workshop, and wednesday I have a tiny paper in the student session [14:06:51] nothing related to GF actually, the CG thing was a spinoff of a coursework, and the other paper was a quick thing to normalise colloquial finnish to standard finnish [14:06:56] I contributed my irc logs :-D [14:07:32] That's quite exciting ^^ Hope it all goes well. I will have a little poke around the page in a bit to see what the presented papers are actually about. [14:07:38] Hahaha, really? [14:09:15] Oh, I heard about your colloquial Finnish -> standard Finnish paper! [14:09:30] I wanted to go to the seminar to see it presented but it was at a bad time, I think. [14:12:55] I think they have proceedings already as pdf somewhere on the page, so if some of the titles looks interesting, you can read the paper too [14:13:10] yeah so I had the presentation yesterday in the CLT seminar, 10:30-12 [14:13:11] anna was there [14:14:06] Okay, cheers I'll take a look at it. [14:15:08] How is it presenting your work? I guess you have probably done it before. [14:16:10] yeah, so far I've presented in workshops, which were quite small and informal, and in the autumn I was in estonia presenting the estonian GF grammar [14:16:52] I just emailed them and said I'll be around in tartu, can I come to present the estonian GF grammar, and they gave me 2 hours slot :-D [14:16:59] :D [14:17:03] No pressure! [14:17:13] That's pretty amazing [14:17:42] haha yeah, but it was in the end pretty cool, I had lots of slides prepared but I also just showed code and talked about some morphological particularities [14:18:02] I've never given a talk in a main conference or to very many people [14:18:40] but if it's a nice, informal workshop/seminar, and I'm presenting something I know well, it's mostly just fun [14:19:03] I think if you've done a lot of these workshops at least you are a bit prepared. It's very cool but at the same would make me nervous. I can only take it from the student perspective right now and we have some breadth right now but not a whole lot of depth in one subject, if you know what I mean. [14:19:15] yeah [14:19:16] But for smaller workshops with a receptive crowd...could be really great! [14:19:23] in course presentations there's always the option to go like "well they say so in the paper, I don" [14:19:26] 't know" [14:19:31] hahaha, yeah [14:19:32] but when it's your own work [14:19:47] You're supposed to know everything [14:19:49] yeah [14:21:07] hehe, not everything, but at least have a motivation why you're doing your thing and so on [14:21:59] if there's anything like a coursework that you're interested in, it might be worthwile to look around if there happens to be a smaller conference or a workshop on the topic, and try to send something there [14:22:46] so this paper I'm presenting on monday, I had a course on grammar formalisms, and everyone had to choose some grammar formalism and present it [14:23:41] I chose Constraint Grammar, and at the same time, I was learning about satisfiability, so I just thought I'd do something small to learn about both concepts [14:23:52] and now I'm presenting my own CG implementation https://github.com/inariksit/cgsat [14:26:15] That's very smart [14:27:06] I guess as we go in to the second year and the quality of our work - and the tasks we are being set - improves, then this becomes more of an option I suppose. [14:27:30] yeah [14:27:32] So you have been working with GF for a long time? [14:27:43] I was first introduced to it in 2010 [14:28:09] You made good progress :D [14:29:15] :-P [14:29:30] Was your course on grammar formalisms in Gothenburg? [14:29:59] I was working as a research assistant in helsinki, in a project where they used GF, so then I started using it and contributed to the RGL etc. [14:30:07] yeah, it was a PhD course [14:30:36] but I know of people who have done stuff like that at masters courses as well [14:31:10] hmm, very cool [14:31:56] I think when I get to grips with GF a bit more I could like it a lot. Right now I need the book like a Swede needs caffeine because I am a bit lost by the syntax and the shortcuts etc. I need the full start to finish in-depth guide. [14:32:05] hahah [14:32:55] yeah it's a bit heavy on the syntax, but it definitely gets easier when you don't need to spend so much energy in remembering what's the \ and \\ and so on :) [14:33:06] haha, exactly [14:33:28] aarne commented that he's over the years starting to underestimate the time it takes to learn GF [14:33:58] also in the summer schools, in the first couple of them, full first week was for GF intro [14:34:03] now it's 3 days or so [14:34:24] It's like everything probably. It just takes time. And actually me spending an adequate amount of time on it by myself. Aarne showed us a proper computer installation of it today and the things you can do (word counts etc. - features you don't get via the cloud) and it was really great. [14:34:35] yeah ^^ [14:34:44] have you installed it on your computer? [14:35:17] Yes! [14:35:19] But... [14:35:42] \o/ [14:35:49] I haven't tested whether it works yet. I am just reading the intro of the book before getting in the exercises and code examples. Then I'll test it out. [14:35:53] We can pray [14:36:06] hope it works :) [14:36:16] what OS do you have? [14:36:23] if it's windows, should pray some more [14:36:34] otherwise should be fine [14:36:50] *** Joins: spectre (~fran@2001:bb8:2002:3400:7a31:c1ff:fecd:969e) [14:37:05] It's Windows [14:37:11] hahaha [14:37:12] D: [14:37:17] *reaches for Bible* [14:37:19] uh oh [14:37:39] I did have Linux...and then I needed to reformat the drive. For, erm, Game of Thrones ¬_¬ [14:37:49] reach for this as well http://www.grammaticalframework.org/~inari/gf-windows.html [14:37:57] hehe [14:38:17] at the Apertium land they have this handy virtual machine with apertium installation [14:38:24] so they don't need to worry about windows users [14:38:47] oh well, it's most likely going to be fine, except for anything that needs unicode [14:39:39] *** Joins: vin-ivar (uid74719@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stxsgdbcgfvjcaen) [14:40:03] Yes, I think that's the main problem [14:40:14] I'm used to unicode problems with Python anyway [14:40:42] :/ [14:40:55] I remember, when I used windows, I managed to get python work, but not GF [14:41:28] just changing the code page in powershell [14:41:35] or are you using some python IDE [14:42:05] *** Quits: spectre (~fran@2001:bb8:2002:3400:7a31:c1ff:fecd:969e) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [14:43:09] Yes, I'm just using IDLE [14:43:28] It's nothing fancy (no amazing syntax highlighting or anything) but I guess I'm used to it now [14:45:13] yeah ok [14:46:12] hehe I said to wafia that I could have a look on my windows machine if there's anything to be done for getting the eclipse GF plugin show arabic script, let's see if I get that done :-P [14:47:58] hahaha [14:48:07] Yes, I think next week will be a lot of GF troubleshooting :D [14:48:16] ooh nice [14:48:26] I'll be away, so jstar will handle that [14:48:41] It's a good week to be away haha [14:49:27] can't wait... [14:49:36] *** Joins: spectei (~fran@unaffiliated/spectie) [14:49:36] ;) [14:49:50] it's fun in some twisted way [14:50:02] :P [14:50:37] related picture: spectei fixing someone's don't-remember-anymore-what installation at LREC last year http://listenmaa.fi/b/spectie.jpg [14:51:00] ^__^ [14:51:04] several people's :D [14:51:10] :D :D [14:51:14] see: smiling! [14:51:16] hahah [14:51:22] that's my natural state [14:51:30] smiling on computer [14:51:32] :P [14:51:36] with tommi standing ominously over my shoulder [14:53:45] ^^ [14:54:36] argh I can't decide whether to fill my slides with explanations that I suspect many people don't know, or just go through example and say "it's magic" [14:55:37] *explanations about [things I suspect many people don't know] [14:57:33] *** Quits: spectei (~fran@unaffiliated/spectie) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [15:03:28] I find it hard to digest a lot of information via slides compared to talking. But could just be me. I guess sometimes you just can't explain everything in depth and that's what Q&A sessions after are for, right? I don't know! [15:04:01] yeah [15:04:33] there's the danger that if I don't explain, the audience thinks "what is this magic", and if I explain, they start looking at their email and don't return even when I get back to the main track [15:04:56] but yeah I could just prepare slides for the technicalities and show them if someone asks [15:06:24] If you're even thinking about it and coming up with possible solutions, it's a good sign :P [15:06:50] ^^ [15:08:28] *** Joins: _ (53f8de6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.248.222.106) [15:08:40] *** Quits: _ (53f8de6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.248.222.106) (Client Quit) [15:35:25] *** Joins: spectei (~fran@unaffiliated/spectie) [15:37:09] *** Quits: vin-ivar (uid74719@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stxsgdbcgfvjcaen) () [15:37:57] *** Joins: vin-ivar (~vinit@122.169.36.220) [15:38:41] nice, Flammie [16:04:07] *** Quits: vin-ivar (~vinit@122.169.36.220) (Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1) [16:04:38] *** Joins: vin-ivar (~vinit@122.169.36.220) [16:14:53] *** Quits: spectei (~fran@unaffiliated/spectie) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [17:46:15] *** Quits: crazydiamond (~crazydiam@178.141.72.200) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [21:12:08] *** Joins: crazydiamond (~crazydiam@178.141.72.129) [22:37:53] *** Quits: crazydiamond (~crazydiam@178.141.72.129) (Remote host closed the connection) [22:44:24] *** Quits: LukeG (c1eb41dc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.235.65.220) (Quit: Page closed)