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[11:28:44] <inariksit> daherb_: when are you coming again?
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[11:40:16] <daherb> inariksit: I will be in gothenburg from 22nd or 23rd of august
[11:40:20] <inariksit> okay!
[11:40:27] <inariksit> welcome ^_^
[11:56:28] <daherb> but only if i win the fight against all the pending paperwork...
[12:02:36] <inariksit> :(
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[12:14:25] <daherb> inariksit: btw peter decided that i should learn swedish now and started responding to my emails in swedish
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[13:32:20] <inariksit> daherb: haha kul!
[13:32:28] <inariksit> jag kan hjälpa dig också här i kanalen ^_^
[13:32:56] <inariksit> är det lätt att förstå?
[13:33:13] <inariksit> is it  easy to  understand?
[13:33:19] <inariksit> I can gloss on IRC if you want :-P
[13:35:14] <daherb> both the email and your comments were quite understandable. but i also tried google translate, bing translate and gf wide-coverage for swedish->german and the results were usually pretty bad
[13:35:44] <spectei> bad translation with GF wide coverage ?? ._.
[13:35:50] <spectei> well, just "pretty bad"
[13:35:54] <spectei> that means there was some good right?
[13:39:34] <daherb> spectei: the problem with gf was that some verbs were translated in a really old-fashioned way
[13:40:06] <spectei> if that's the only problem then that's doing really well :D
[13:40:19] <spectei> daherb, you can probably fix that in DictionaryDeu
[13:40:22] <daherb> so the translation by gf was still the easiest to understand and bing translation the worst
[13:40:26] <spectei> which ones were they ?
[13:40:41] <spectei> oops, DictionaryGer
[13:41:00] <spectei> if you tell me which verbs, and which translations are better, we can fix it now
[13:41:05] <spectei> (unlike with Bing and Google!)
[13:42:59] <daherb> "Det låter bra!" -> "	
[13:42:59] <daherb> 	
[13:43:05] <daherb> "Es erklingt [fine_Adv]!"
[13:43:33] <spectei> what should fine_Adv be ?
[13:43:57] <daherb> i would translate it with "Das klingt gut"
[13:43:58] <inariksit> daherb: probably you heard it already, but you're going to sit in the room with gregoire and prasanth
[13:43:59] <spectei> ok
[13:44:09] <inariksit> you met them both in the summer school 2013?
[13:44:20] <inariksit> I'm not going to get any new office mates ;__;
[13:44:21] <daherb> yes, i think so
[13:44:23] <inariksit> so tråkigt
[13:44:24] <inariksit> yeah
[13:44:35] <spectei>  
[13:44:36] <spectei> lin resound_V = mkV "erschallen" | mkV "tönen" | mkV "erklingen" ; -- status=guess, src=wikt status=guess, src=wikt status=guess, src=wikt
[13:44:36] <spectei> lin resound_V2 = mkV2 (mkV "erschallen") | mkV2 (mkV "tönen") | mkV2 (mkV "erklingen") ; -- status=guess, src=wikt status=guess, src=wikt status=guess, src=wikt
[13:44:36] <spectei>  
[13:44:44] <spectei> so change "erklingen" to just "klingen" here ?
[13:44:47] <inariksit> hahah
[13:44:51] <inariksit> "that resounds good"
[13:44:53] <spectei> :D
[13:44:58] <spectei> "that resounds fine"
[13:45:07] <spectei> wunderbar
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[13:45:23] <inariksit> this looks more like sound_V in swedish should be fixed
[13:45:25] <inariksit> add låta there
[13:45:37] <spectei> lin sound_V = I.låta_V ;
[13:45:37] <spectei> lin sound_V2 = mkV2 I.låta_V ;
[13:45:37] <spectei> lin sound_VA = mkVA I.låta_V ;
[13:45:37] <spectei> lin sound_VS = mkVS I.låta_V ;
[13:45:43] <inariksit> ooh okay
[13:45:47] <spectei> interestingly:
[13:45:48] <spectei> lin resound_V = mkV "skallar" ; -- comment=2
[13:45:48] <spectei> lin resound_V2 = variants {} ; -- status=guess
[13:45:49] <inariksit> haha then it's just stupid probabilities
[13:45:55] <inariksit> wtf
[13:45:55] <spectei> probabilities are stupid :((
[13:46:16] <inariksit> I know skalla from a choir song
[13:46:39] <spectei> that's really odd, how does it get resound_V?
[13:47:02] <inariksit> väktarns rop i natten skallar / från muren han på sion kallar: / stå upp, stå upp, jerusalem
[13:47:10] <spectei> PhrUtt NoPConj (UttS (UseCl (TTAnt TPres ASimul) PPos (PredVP (UsePron it_Pron) (AdvVP (UseV sound_V) fine_Adv)))) NoVoc
[13:47:26] <spectei> daherb, parse 3 is the one you want ;D
[13:47:53] <inariksit> aah choirthings are going to start this thursday ^__^
[13:47:58] <spectei> :D
[13:48:00] <daherb> no, number 4
[13:48:00] <inariksit> I miss the choir so much
[13:48:05] <spectei> ah
[13:48:11] <spectei> maybe it's because the webdemo isn't updated
[13:48:17] <daherb> damn, imeant 5
[13:48:53] <spectei> ooh
[13:48:54] <spectei> wait
[13:48:54] <spectei> oper OP_sound_V : V = fixprefixV "er" I.klingen_V | mkV "läuten" ;
[13:48:57] <spectei> this looks suspicious
[13:49:12] <spectei> no
[13:49:12] <spectei> it's
[13:49:13] <spectei> lin sound_V = fixprefixV "er" I.klingen_V | mkV "läuten" ;
[13:49:14] <spectei> this one
[13:49:21] <spectei> daherb, so should we just change that to:
[13:49:32] <spectei> lin sound_V = mkV "klingen" | mkV "läuten" ;
[13:49:32] <spectei> ?
[13:50:00] <spectei> i'll be back at choir in 2 weeks ^^
[13:50:08] <inariksit> yay!
[13:50:18] <daherb> yes, i think that should work
[13:50:28] <spectei> oks
[13:50:43] <inariksit> that resounds fine!
[13:51:26] <spectei> :D
[13:52:47] <spectei> it asks me for "target email address"
[13:52:49] <spectei> it didn't do that before
[13:53:26] <spectei> has something changed with how darcs works
[13:53:31] <inariksit> no idea
[13:53:32] <spectei> argh
[13:53:34] <spectei> DARCS PUSH
[13:53:42] <spectei> not DARCS SEND
[13:53:44] <spectei> hargle bargle
[13:54:02] <spectei> Push successful.
[13:54:03] <spectei> \o/
[13:55:21] <inariksit> \o/
[14:01:17] <vin-ivar> <daherb> inariksit: btw peter decided that i should learn swedish now and started responding to my emails in swedish
[14:01:30] <vin-ivar> respond in danish :D
[14:03:14] <spectei> haha good troll, vin-ivar
[14:03:18] <inariksit> write your response in german and put it through GF wide coverage translator and translate to swedish
[14:03:30] <spectei> sounds reliable
[14:03:36] <spectei> GF is robust translation right?
[14:03:37] <spectei> precision
[14:03:42] <spectei> robust precision translation
[14:03:51] <inariksit> that's like perfect translation
[14:03:55] <inariksit> or just "translation"
[14:04:12] <inariksit> vin-ivar: I'm back in office, do you need to harass people about money?
[14:04:50] <inariksit> I should be doing research but am so unmotivated because I'm organising this stupid master's student event and people are telling me contradictory things and they suddenly don't know how many students are coming and stuff
[14:04:57] <inariksit> so I could use this time to harass some people about money
[14:12:32] <vin-ivar> ooh, harassment :D
[14:12:44] <vin-ivar> I dunno whom to talk to, is aarne back?
[14:22:53] <inariksit> yeah he is
[14:51:11] <vin-ivar> cool, can you ask him whom i should talk to?
[14:51:15] <vin-ivar> or should I mail him
[14:51:21] <inariksit> I guess you should talk to the secretaries
[14:51:28] <vin-ivar> Tiina?
[14:51:35] <inariksit> just email the same people who you emailed before the summer school and put aarne into cc
[14:51:38] <inariksit> yeah I guess
[14:51:52] <inariksit> I was just htinking if you're missing an answer, I can go and knock on people's doors and look threatening
[14:52:33] <inariksit> I'm just creating ambiguities for my corpus-free CG analysis, this is totally realistic ^_^
[14:52:33] <vin-ivar> haha, aw
[14:52:36] <inariksit> "<agradable>" "agradable" adj mf sg "," cm
[14:52:37] <vin-ivar> i'll mail them first :P
[14:52:41] <inariksit> "hmm is this an adjective or a comma"
[14:52:45] <inariksit> yeah sound good
[14:52:48] <inariksit> *+s
[14:52:54] <inariksit> *+re
[14:53:56] <spectei> HAHA
[14:54:21] <spectei> going to need some long distance context to resolve that
[14:55:26] <inariksit> yeah D:
[14:56:01] <vin-ivar> +V+3P+Sg
[15:07:05] <inariksit> spectei: what do you think about this case, really pushing the limits of rule-based approach :I
[15:07:08] <inariksit> 	<<<
[15:07:10] <inariksit> 	>>>
[15:07:13] <inariksit> 	"zijn" vbser pres pl
[15:07:16] <inariksit> 	"deze" det dem mfn pl
[15:07:18] <inariksit> I think we might need to resort to a perceptron to solve that ambiguity
[15:07:21] <inariksit> 	"zijn"
[15:07:23] <inariksit> 	adj pred
[15:09:27] <vin-ivar> what's the ambiguity?
[15:09:40] <spectei> inariksit, hahaha :D
[15:10:17] <inariksit> my program generated a token which is supposed to be ambiguous between BOS, EOS, copula, "these" and predicative adjective
[15:11:02] <inariksit> it's almost as useful as the random-generated CG rules I made
[15:11:03] <spectei> well, BOS/EOS could be ambiguous
[15:11:07] <spectei> but i guess like
[15:11:10] <spectei> "these" and EOS
[15:11:23] <spectei> i think you need to do some bootstrapping
[15:11:24] <spectei> and iterations
[15:11:31] <spectei> maybe a bit of expectation maximisation
[15:11:37] <inariksit> ^_^
[15:11:41] <inariksit> that should fix it
[15:11:47] <spectei> so you can converge on the most probable
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