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[03:08:03] <drbean_> 'to disambiguate referents, like "he said that he was sick", do the he1 and he2 refer to same or different people'. I came across that or something similar on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logophoricity
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[08:17:34] <inariZA> hello!
[08:17:44] <inariksit> hello inariZA
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[10:32:27] <esg> inariksit, daherb: i usually write 'aa', 'ae' and 'oe' for the last three letters of the alphabet. lots of people don't, but to me it looks weirder with just 'a', 'a' and 'o'
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[11:12:51] <inariksit> esg: okay
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[11:22:27] <inariksit> drbean_: thanks for the link! I found this about finnish http://www.staff.amu.edu.pl/~naunicol/NNresearch/NN-logoph.pdf
[11:22:39] <spectei> morning!
[11:24:31] <inariksit> about my master plan, we changed the program and it's going to be aarne in the afternoon
[11:24:46] <inariksit> I had my talk in the first slot, showed irc but nobody joined the channel
[11:25:25] <esg> :-(
[11:26:37] <inariksit> there were lots of questions about if we have unit tests, visual studio plugin, bindings to C#
[11:26:41] <spectei> LOL
[11:27:02] <inariksit> it's just that the core GF fans have no experience in those things
[11:27:11] <inariksit> it's not like we hate software engineering :-P
[11:27:15] <spectei> and non-core ones too :P
[11:27:22] <inariksit> yeah
[11:27:28] <inariksit> (this channel is totally core)
[11:27:33] <spectei> haha ^^
[11:27:39] <spectei> i had a sme-smn meeting this morning at 8:30 my time D:
[11:27:44] <inariksit> (at least core fans, not core developers)
[11:27:49] <spectei> and it was one of those meetings where you have to reboot into mac
[11:27:55] <inariksit> damn
[11:28:03] <inariksit> you needed video conference or something?
[11:28:07] <spectei> yeah
[11:30:10] <inariksit> was it a good meeting at least
[11:30:51] <spectei> yeah, we talked about transfer stuff
[11:31:10] <spectei> and i found a nice reason why we should split clitics words not have them as tags
[11:31:11] <spectei> :>
[11:34:27] <inariksit> what do you mean, split clitics (and?) words?
[11:35:31] <spectei> ah, like "Voisiko"
[11:35:47] <spectei> should be split into voisi + ko
[11:35:56] <spectei> for transfer purposes
[11:36:02] <spectei> and then joined for generation
[11:36:28] <inariksit> aha
[11:36:51] <spectei> so, in north sámi you have the word "ge" which is a clitic "Leage" (onkin)
[11:36:53] <inariksit> so not like morphology, just for stuff that you can write rules "if verb is followed by clitic"
[11:37:09] <spectei> but in inari sámi it can be "Liige" "Liigis" or "Lii-uv"
[11:37:23] <spectei> -ge/-gis is like finnish -kaan/-kin
[11:37:28] <inariksit> okay
[11:38:05] <inariksit> estonian has just one -ki/-gi, but unlike finnish, it varies by phonetical reasons
[11:38:20] <inariksit> gi if the stem of the word ends in voiced sound
[11:38:32] <inariksit> what's the -uv?
[11:39:36] <spectei> it's the question word
[11:39:45] <spectei> and also has some other uses (that i'm not clear on)
[11:39:48] <inariksit> in estonian? kas
[11:39:53] <spectei> also, why they decided to write it with a -
[11:39:54] <spectei> i don't know
[11:39:59] <inariksit> gah sorry I misread
[11:40:01] <spectei> i'm sure it's a very important linguistic decision :D
[11:40:05] <inariksit> I read you said "what's the question word"
[11:40:16] <spectei> so Onko? = Leago? = Lii-uv?
[11:40:16] <inariksit> okay right
[11:40:48] <inariksit> lii·uv
[11:41:31] <spectei> :D
[11:41:39] <spectei> that's how sardinian pronominal clitics are written
[11:41:44] <spectei> ^_^
[11:42:45] <inariksit> ascii languages are so boring!
[11:42:46] <spectei> Siat dada importàntzia e prioridade a sa presèntzia de giòvanos in sos ufìtzios apòsitos, dende·lis formatzione e mansiones linguìsticas de prètziu e gabale.
[11:42:58] <inariksit> http://www.africanlanguages.com/venda/http://www.africanlanguages.com/venda/venda_characters.png
[11:43:01] <inariksit> oops sorry
[11:43:04] <inariksit> just the first part
[11:43:18] <spectei> but only in the official orthography that only the guy that designed it and maybe a couple of other people write >_>
[11:43:25] <inariksit> yeah
[11:43:28] <spectei> nice :D
[11:46:25] <spectei> inariksit, so is irc-showing over for the day, or will you have another talk ?
[11:48:12] <inariksit> it's over for the day
[11:48:23] <inariksit> I don't know if I'll talk tomorrow
[11:48:41] <inariksit> the program is pretty freeform, we decided to change the afternoon due to popular demand
[11:49:14] <spectei> aha ok
[11:49:30] <inariksit> haha this sounds like there was a violent demonstration, "none of this application grammar bullshit, we want visual studio bindings!", we just thought that it might make sense to change order
[11:49:51] <inariksit> so aarne will show a more thorough view how the GF module system works
[11:49:51] <spectei> visual studio is an integrated development environment
[11:49:55] <spectei> kind of like emacs i think
[11:49:58] <inariksit> something aimed for programmers
[11:50:11] <inariksit> yeah so I heard!
[11:50:14] <spectei> i bet it increases productivity
[11:50:51] <spectei> btw, can you make an announcement about the summer school ? ... if you have the opportunity
[11:51:09] <inariksit> yeah that's a good idea! I did already yesterday at the dinner
[11:51:15] <inariksit> but it was just 10 people
[11:51:44] <inariksit> I'm sure I have the opportunity, I can just walk to the stage
[11:51:53] <inariksit> or ask laurette to say it tomorrow
[11:51:56] <spectei> haha
[11:52:00] <spectei> crash onto the stage
[11:52:07] <spectei> *hands waving*
[11:52:09] <inariksit> maybe tomorrow it will make more sense, "goodbye, we can meet again"
[11:52:14] <spectei> yeah, good idea
[12:05:58] <vin-ivar> 15:53 <inariksit> there were lots of questions about if we have unit tests, visual studio plugin, bindings to C#
[12:06:01] <vin-ivar> hahaha
[12:06:10] <vin-ivar> agile development
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[12:36:53] <daherb> but to be honest, some automatic testing would be usefull to see if someone broke the repository
[12:46:32] <inariksit> doesn't this do that? http://ci.zjyto.net/job/GF/job/Build/
[12:52:56] <Putti> What programming language(s) you use in GF?
[12:53:17] <vin-ivar> hej Putti
[12:53:28] <Putti> hej! :)
[12:55:20] <esg> Putti: the GF compiler is written in haskell, there are (at least) haskell, c, python, java bindings.
[12:56:45] <Putti> okay, cool!
[13:08:51] <daherb> inariksit: yes. but i don't know who is responsible for this and what happens if the build really breaks
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[13:13:35] <inariksit> daherb: I have a feeling that I pushed something and got a mail saying that I broke something
[13:13:50] <inariksit> I can't remember if there was some automatic revert or if my commit was rejected
[13:14:00] <inariksit> in the remu repo there is something similar
[13:14:04] <inariksit> for the web page
[13:14:23] <inariksit> afaik it's grégoire who maintais that page
[13:15:22] <inariksit> hmm I have the emails, they end like
[13:15:27] <inariksit> "gf-3.6.10 failed during the building phase. The exception was:
[13:15:28] <inariksit> ExitFailure 1
[13:15:28] <inariksit> Build step 'Execute shell' marked build as failure
[13:15:28] <inariksit> [WARNINGS] Skipping publisher since build result is FAILURE
[13:15:34] <inariksit> Archiving artifacts"
[13:47:42] <daherb> maybe i am not up to date. but about two years ago i only got an email from thomas after jordi could not compile gf due to an error in my grammar
[13:55:13] <inariksit> aha okay, the earliest email of those I have is from june 2014
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[16:01:11] <BobL> Hey! a general question. Can one get a tree and a linearization at the same time with "gt"? I would like to see a tree for a category and its linearization.
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[16:33:28] <daherb> you can use "l -treebank" to get both the abstract syntax tree and the linearization
[16:38:08] <BobL> thanks daherb! I will try that now
[16:46:28] <BobL> thanks I did gt for a category with one tree and piped it to l -treebank. thanks daherb
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