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[11:23:10] <inariksit> koen was like "why don't you do your grammar testing with some language other than basque", and I was like okay I'll take dutch, and then I got something that kinda works, and now I run it with estonian and my computer just swaps like hell
[11:23:16] <inariksit> doing stuff with basque is the best sanity check!
[11:23:28] <inariksit> or well, greenlandic could probably be even better ^^
[11:24:27] <inariksit> (but we don't have it in the RGL... yet!)
[11:27:10] <inariksit> the relationship between the number of categories and the time it takes to compile the grammar is not obvious: I did some minor optimisation to my basque grammar (at cost of grammaticality, so I discarded it) and it got down to 5 seconds, with like 80k categories; now that I tried it again it was 9 seconds
[11:27:28] <inariksit> but I don't know if that's really just due to my changes or my computer just having a weird day or something
[11:27:47] <inariksit> estonian has around 30k categories, and it compiles in >1 min
[11:28:17] <inariksit> but this tool that I'm developing, it's definitely super critical how many categories
[11:29:53] <inariksit> I'm trying to enumerate trees, and in 10 minutes it got to <30 trees of size 1, whereas for dutch it gives me 2000 trees in 2 seconds
[11:35:57] <inariksit> ayberkt: just out of curiosity, how is the number of categories and compile time looking for your Turkish resource grammar?
[11:36:49] <vin-ivar> the turkish RG is pretty incomplete isn't it
[11:36:56] <vin-ivar> i was planning on doing some stuffs with it
[11:39:00] <inariksit> yeah it's true
[11:39:46] <inariksit> time gf -v LangTur.gf gives me just milliseconds, and categories are in hundreds
[11:40:00] <inariksit> with N3 the biggest one (looks like number of cases contributes)
[11:40:12] <inariksit> vin-ivar: nice, what kind of stuffs? ^^
[11:43:16] <vin-ivar> well there's no VerbTur :D
[11:43:21] <vin-ivar> so that, for one
[11:43:31] <vin-ivar> i tried to implement the whole thing from scratch but vowel harmony got a bit annoying to handle
[11:43:56] <vin-ivar> and i continued working on marathi instead
[11:43:57] <inariksit> okay yeah that explains a lot ^^
[11:44:13] <vin-ivar> it should be pretty fun to implement turkish tho so i'd like to give it a shot again at some point
[11:44:13] * inariksit 's VPSlash has >60k categories
[11:44:34] <inariksit> ayberkt got a good start on it at the summer school!
[11:44:47] <vin-ivar> oh sweet!
[11:44:48] <inariksit> have you checked his fork, maybe there's more in there
[11:44:52] <vin-ivar> no i haven't :D
[11:45:17] <inariksit> damn look at those green squares https://github.com/ayberkt
[11:45:37] <vin-ivar> hahaha
[11:45:57] <vin-ivar> how did you do vowel harmony, ayberkt?
[11:46:00] <vin-ivar> okay brb
[11:46:02] <vin-ivar> uni ->
[11:47:32] <inariksit> I feel like I could start hungarian after I'm done with basque
[11:47:57] <vin-ivar> it'd be cool to do a bunch of turkic langs too
[11:48:03] <inariksit> yeah
[11:48:06] <inariksit> https://github.com/ayberkt/GF/blob/master/lib/src/turkish/HarmonyTur.gf here's something
[11:48:15] <vin-ivar> maybe azərbaycanca
[11:48:20] <vin-ivar> ooh
[11:54:27] <inariksit> it'd be nice to organise a month-long GF RGL bootcamp
[11:55:11] <inariksit> maybe a couple days a week there could be presentations, but not like the summer school format, with every day half day
[11:55:34] <inariksit> how about next summer vin-ivar, let's get an airbnb at some sunny and cheap location
[11:55:47] <inariksit> and sit there and write grammars :3
[11:56:02] <inariksit> then we can go out at nights when it's warm but not too warm
[11:56:09] <inariksit> that's my dream summer ^^
[11:56:53] <inariksit> okay bah I'll go and grade exams, feels more productive :-D
[12:22:17] <vin-ivar> inariksit: haha sounds fantastic
[12:22:19] <vin-ivar> :D
[12:22:53] <vin-ivar> half days + grammars + sun
[12:22:54] <vin-ivar> perfect
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[12:49:00] <inariksit> vin-ivar: yep ^^
[12:49:03] <inariksit> are you in?
[12:50:56] <vin-ivar> in summer? yeah defs
[12:50:57] <vin-ivar> :D
[12:51:07] <inariksit> yay!
[12:51:23] <inariksit> do you have a preferred month?
[12:51:31] <inariksit> are you planning to go to some summer schools for instance
[12:51:33] <inariksit> or going to india
[12:51:47] <vin-ivar> yeah anytime before esslli should be okay really
[12:51:56] <vin-ivar> are you going to esslli next year?
[12:51:58] <vin-ivar> it's in sofia :D
[12:51:59] <inariksit> I would hope that I get to submit my phd thesis in june or something, and then I would have some time to chill and then defend in september
[12:52:06] <inariksit> what time?
[12:52:10] <vin-ivar> yeah i'm hoping to do my thesis in june too
[12:52:15] <inariksit> I haven't looked at esslli at all yet
[12:52:22] <vin-ivar> it's early august afaik
[12:52:27] <inariksit> okay
[12:52:45] <inariksit> bulgaria sounds like it could be sunny and cheap
[12:52:53] <vin-ivar> yeah exactly
[12:52:59] <vin-ivar> or {countries surrounding bulgaria}
[12:53:16] <inariksit> yeah
[12:53:33] <inariksit> though I would like to do it in spain, because I know people in there and it would be handy for that too
[12:54:20] <inariksit> but it's not a dealbreaker, I can always go and travel and meet friends earlier and then have the GF retreat afterwards ^^
[12:54:39] <daherb> inariksit: speaking about spain https://sites.google.com/view/siggram17/
[13:07:57] <inariksit> are you thinking of going there?
[13:08:35] <inariksit> if it's just me (or me and wen), maybe daria can host us, but if you or other people are coming too, we can get a big airbnb in barcelona ^^
[13:20:59] <esg> can i join in, writing grammars in a nice climate sounds fun ;-)
[13:24:13] <vin-ivar> daria?
[13:24:16] <vin-ivar> name is familiar
[13:24:28] <vin-ivar> oh yeah she was at esslli
[13:25:17] <esg> i have a small application grammar in which I want to generate clausesof  the format 'i like my dog' 'she likes her dog' etc. to do this i make a new record type to linearise the subject, and instead of VP, use  as MyType => VP for the rest.
[13:26:14] <esg> all of this works fine in theory, but for french this eats all of my ram if i have more than 2 values of MyType.
[13:26:43] <esg> sad fact of life, or is there something i should do differently?
[13:52:52] <inariksit> esg: sure, the more the merrier ^__^
[13:53:21] <inariksit> for your problem with MyType, you could check out VPS from Extend
[13:53:38] <inariksit> VPs and such intermediate categories are quite complex, you have so many things open
[13:53:49] <inariksit> but VPS has actually tense and anteriority fixed
[13:53:53] <inariksit> so it's less slow to have those
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[13:54:09] <inariksit> I'm guessing from your description that you want to do reflexive possessives?
[14:00:42] <esg> yes, that's right
[14:00:56] <inariksit> yeah
[14:01:10] <esg> i'll check VPS from Extend!
[14:01:21] <inariksit> it might also be in the old Extensions? I'm not sure
[14:02:31] <esg> sitting on a train from Karjaa to Helsinki atm. my little train that i should have taken from tammisaari to karjaa was apparently in  a serious accident this morning :-(
[14:02:46] <esg> i'll check all possible extensions.
[14:07:02] <inariksit> ooh what are you doing in finland?
[14:32:58] <esg> i'm sabbaticalling at aalto university!
[15:27:38] <inariksit> nice ^^
[15:40:49] <esg> yes!
[16:30:37] <inariksit> how long are you there? I'll come to finland for christmas holiday, but that's still almost 2 months away
[16:44:44] <esg> i'll be here until christmas, approximately, so i might have left when you arrive here.
[16:51:48] <inariksit> alright
[16:52:03] <inariksit> I will stay in gothenburg at least until 20th, that's the last musical rehearsal for the year
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[16:59:19] <esg> yeah, that's around when i'll be leaving here
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[17:56:58] <inariksit> at the end of today, my code has advanced up to a point where it's running slow also for dutch
[17:57:08] <inariksit> that's... progress? :-D
[17:57:43] <inariksit> but! it knows to generate these trees ^^
[17:57:45] <inariksit> PositA
[17:57:45] <inariksit> AdjCN (PositA young_A) (UseN worm_N) : CN
[17:57:45] <inariksit> "jonge worm"
[17:57:45] <inariksit> AdjCN (PositA young_A) (UseN year_N) : CN
[17:57:45] <inariksit> "jong jaar"
[17:59:24] <inariksit> I'll run it for estonian for comedic value
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[18:00:44] <inariksit> come on laptop you can do it! just one function
[18:00:45] <inariksit> come on
[18:00:47] <inariksit> this is so exciting
[18:00:56] <inariksit> making noise
[18:01:14] <inariksit> still no output
[18:26:20] <inariksit> okay I give up
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