[00:05:06] *** Joins: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) [00:50:02] *** Quits: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) (Remote host closed the connection) [00:50:38] *** Joins: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) [00:52:26] *** Joins: mmehdig_ (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) [00:52:27] *** Quits: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:04:08] *** Quits: mmehdig_ (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) (Remote host closed the connection) [01:30:01] *** Quits: Eidel (~eidel@c83-249-247-253.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [01:31:30] *** Joins: Eidel (~eidel@c83-249-247-253.bredband.comhem.se) [01:39:45] *** Joins: Eidel_ (~eidel@c83-249-247-253.bredband.comhem.se) [01:43:29] *** Quits: Eidel (~eidel@c83-249-247-253.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [02:15:22] *** Joins: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) [02:19:34] *** Quits: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [05:01:08] *** Joins: Eidel (~eidel@c83-249-247-253.bredband.comhem.se) [05:04:33] *** Quits: Eidel_ (~eidel@c83-249-247-253.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [06:17:18] What's a general name for the relationships between an N and a CN, or an A and an AP, or a V and a V2, the latter of each pair being things that mkCN, mkAP and mkV2, etc do. [08:17:32] Or make. [08:18:51] N, A, V and V2 are lexical categories, CN is something in-between and AP is a phrasal category [08:19:02] not sure if these terms appear in the GF documentation :P [08:19:16] the transformation from V to V2 increases valency [08:19:24] makes intransitive verb transitive [08:19:46] N is a bare noun, CN can have modifiers, and NP has a quantifier [08:20:26] A is also a bare adjective, AP can have adverbial (or they are called adadjective, AdA) modifiers, like warm -> very warm [08:31:47] for verbs (all types, like V, V2, VV, VS, V2V...), there's VPs, formed with ComplV* and a complement, and VPSlash, formed with SlashV*. ComplV* is, as named, complementation, SlashV* I don't know if there's a specific name, it forms a VP missing a complement (VP \ compl, hence the name) [08:33:07] so, I wouldn't call all these relationships with a same name [08:36:44] *** Quits: jmvanel (~jmvanel@213.0.88.79.rev.sfr.net) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [08:59:03] *** Joins: chru (~christina@2001:638:504:2099:a053:7ae5:8747:f694) [10:12:20] This is for vim scripting. I'm writing vim functions to populate GF files from word lists. http://lpaste.net/104399 [10:14:57] I was looking for an alternative to 'category' and 'super_cat'. I may go with 'category' and 'made_cat'. [10:22:39] *** Quits: spectie (~fran@unaffiliated/spectie) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [10:37:14] *** Joins: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) [10:43:38] *** Joins: spectie (~fran@unaffiliated/spectie) [11:21:22] I'm trying to get the minibar online to make 'I want my shoes shined.' (But the only V2V verb is 'beg', so it will be 'I beg NP VP') [11:22:39] I beg you to shine my shoes [11:23:54] It has 'I beg NP Passive', but that gives: 'I beg my shoes to be shined'. [11:24:52] (Actually, 'I beg you to be loved.') [11:25:30] 'I want my shoes shined,' and 'I want my shoes to be shined.' are pretty close. [11:27:58] Actually, I'm looking to parse, 'I get my shoes shined.' And 'I get my shoes to be shined,' is unsatisfactory. [11:30:51] I guess I have to take 'shined' to be an adjective and use V2A, where the minibar gives, 'I paint everything red.' [11:33:51] *** Quits: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) (Remote host closed the connection) [11:34:25] *** Joins: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) [11:38:20] It has 'I beg NP Passive', but that gives: 'I beg my shoes to be shined'. [11:38:21] haha [11:38:38] *** Quits: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [11:52:51] *** Joins: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) [12:38:23] *** Quits: spectie (~fran@unaffiliated/spectie) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [12:41:23] *** Joins: spectie (~fran@unaffiliated/spectie) [13:00:06] *** Parts: chru (~christina@2001:638:504:2099:a053:7ae5:8747:f694) () [13:07:36] *** Quits: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) (Remote host closed the connection) [13:08:10] *** Joins: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) [13:09:09] < drbean> This is for vim scripting. [13:09:26] haha ok, not that much need for linguistics :-D [13:12:37] *** Quits: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [14:04:24] *** Joins: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) [15:07:56] *** Quits: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) (Remote host closed the connection) [15:08:30] *** Joins: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) [15:13:33] *** Quits: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [15:28:17] *** Joins: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) [16:21:52] mmehdig: I just got a better idea for the ra business [16:21:59] or did you fix it already? [16:22:17] not yet [16:22:19] (am in the middle of a meeting, but if you're interested, I can do it later) [16:22:25] ok [16:22:33] I thought you are traveling! [16:22:44] no I'm trying to do it :D [16:23:37] I was reading the VerbEng.gf [16:24:20] I am, this week I'm in utrecht visiting koen, and I'm at university every day :) [16:24:49] I was comparing insertObjPre vs. insertObj [16:24:59] but in the evenings I'm touristing/getting some steps for the step competition and grading :-P so this week is not that different [16:25:05] next week I'll be in iceland in LREC [16:25:20] :D [16:25:30] nice :) [16:25:50] ooh [16:25:54] rā business [16:26:01] if you want to work on it on your own, no problem :) I just got a better idea how to represent the type [16:26:05] instead of adding two more fields [16:26:42] I thought it might be better to create a type Perp [16:27:29] Prep [16:27:48] I mean the isPreCompl1 and isPreCompl2, just have fields pre1, pre2 and ra, and linearise as prep ++ object ++ ra ; if there is ra, leave prep empty, and if there's prep, leave ra empty [16:27:51] like in CatEng.gf, I can add isPre [16:27:59] so you don't need to do any case analysis [16:28:10] in the smart paradigm you can do matching on strings [16:28:17] aha [16:28:39] so just mkV2/mkV3, if the argument matches "ra", fill the ra-field in the verb, otherwise fill the prep field [16:28:51] yes it's better to it this way :) [16:29:37] +do it [16:29:42] :D [16:31:40] what is "gapInMiddle" in VerbEng.gf ? [16:32:40] no idea :P [16:33:52] in V3 verbs the grammar has this ambiguity on Slash2V3 and Slash3V3, [16:34:21] then in Slash2V3 we have gapInMiddle = False [16:35:25] then in ComplSlash it will chose to insert the object with one of these opers: [16:35:36] insertObj vs. insertObjPre [16:44:32] s2 = \\a => vp.s2 ! a ++ obj ! a ; [16:44:35] s2 = \\a => obj ! a ++ vp.s2 ! a ; [16:44:56] first is insertObj, second insertObjPre, and s2 in VP is a complement [16:46:26] I never worked on english RG, the names are just what the writer came up with :P you can ask about weird names in the estonian grammar and I might remember what I was thinking :D [16:46:46] :)) [16:47:13] going home (or "home" :P) now, see you! [16:47:17] thank you :) [16:47:30] have fun [17:08:27] *** Quits: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) (Remote host closed the connection) [17:09:03] *** Joins: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) [17:13:14] *** Quits: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [17:15:51] *** Quits: spectie (~fran@unaffiliated/spectie) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [17:17:18] *** Joins: Eidel_ (~eidel@c83-249-247-253.bredband.comhem.se) [17:20:32] *** Quits: Eidel (~eidel@c83-249-247-253.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [17:28:11] *** Joins: spectie (~fran@unaffiliated/spectie) [17:40:06] *** Joins: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) [18:27:53] *** Quits: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) (Remote host closed the connection) [18:28:28] *** Joins: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) [18:33:06] *** Quits: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [18:48:21] spectie: I showed ramona some apertium, and her first reaction was "why don't you write a GF grammar to generate this?" :-D [18:48:27] hey inariksit ! [18:48:39] some apertium translations ? [18:48:45] or some apertium source code ? [18:48:46] no I mean the actual XML [18:48:48] haha [18:48:49] :D [18:48:58] i guess it could be done [18:49:11] fin-swe.t1x [18:49:15] yeah probably [18:49:27] that'd be a topic for next year's lrec paper? :-D [18:49:33] fin-swe.t1x is a massively (or not) hacked version of fin-eng.t1x [18:49:36] :| [18:49:52] that's the only one I have experience of, no idea if that is representative :P [18:50:01] inariksit, you have eng-kaz too! [18:50:05] that's probably a nicer transfer [18:50:05] ah true [18:50:09] as mikel has been working on it :) [18:50:15] hehe [18:50:57] maybe if tommi only writes apertium on airports and/or drunk, mikel's code might be nicer [18:51:02] :D [18:51:03] *** Joins: mmehdig (~mmehdig@cust-95-80-47-120.csbnet.se) [18:51:53] oh well, just wanted to say that comment, now back finishing my slides for tomorrow :P [18:51:56] ^^ [18:52:04] inariksit, have you done your slides for saltmil yet ? [18:52:09] nope [18:52:10] or is that a bad question ? 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