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[07:00:40] <drbean> I'm trying to make a plural ProperNoun. mkPN (mkN nonExist "Frank and Rebia")
[07:00:42] <drbean> isn't working. cc -table frank_and_rebia
[07:00:43] <drbean> s . ResEng.Nom => Predef.nonExist
[07:00:45] <drbean> s . ResEng.Gen => Predef.nonExist
[07:00:47] <drbean> g . ResEng.Neutr
[07:00:49] <drbean> 0 msec
[07:01:46] <drbean> where frank_and_rebia = mkPN (mkN nonExist "Frank and Rebia")
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[15:12:11] <inariksit> drbean: does PN have even plural form?
[15:12:29] <inariksit> if it's like NP, it's already decided as for number
[15:12:33] <inariksit> N has variable number
[15:14:51] <inariksit> PN = {s : Case => Str ; g : Gender} ;
[15:14:52] <inariksit> NP = {s : NPCase => Str ; a : Agr} ;
[15:15:03] <inariksit> would make more sense to have PN also have Agr instead of just Gender
[15:15:08] <inariksit> now it assumes all PNs are singular
[15:15:27] <inariksit> you can just use Frank and Rebia as an NP
[15:15:53] <inariksit> and make its Agr into Pl P3
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[18:32:43] <daherb> Next week I will be in Gothenburg for a few days. Anyone around who wants to meet up?
[18:55:54] <inariksit> haha damn, I'll be whole week away
[18:55:59] <inariksit> first in vilnius and then in finland
[18:59:20] <daherb> Bad luck, but we'll see each other again in Malta
[19:01:40] <daherb> inariksit: By the way do you know for what time the apartment is booked? I have to look for a flight pretty soon?
[19:02:56] <vin-ivar> daherb, 3 PM, I think
[19:03:05] <vin-ivar> unless you mean the date
[19:03:18] <daherb> I meant the date
[19:03:46] <vin-ivar> the 12th, iirc
[19:04:27] <daherb> Ok, thanks
[19:04:56] <vin-ivar> confirm with inariksit though, the mail I have is in Finnish :P
[19:14:17] <inariksit> hahah, I imagine the numbers are the same in finnish too :-P
[19:14:34] <inariksit> yep it's from 12th to 24
[19:20:07] <vin-ivar> yeah, still thought I'd make sure it was referring to the right thing
[19:20:28] <vin-ivar> btw, inariksit, how agglutinative is Finnish?
[19:21:03] <vin-ivar> want to learn an agglutinative language, debating finnish/Turkish/georgian
[19:21:46] <inariksit> hihi, you can ask spectie suggestions, he knows a bit both finnish and turki(c|sh) ^^
[19:22:10] <vin-ivar> nice
[19:22:51] <inariksit> nouns have number and case suffixes, so e.g. "taloissa" is divided talo-i-ssa "house-PL-inessive"
[19:22:58] <inariksit> and you can also add clitics
[19:23:15] <inariksit> e.g. "talo-i-ssa-kin" house-PL-inessive-also
[19:23:19] <inariksit> "also in the houses"
[19:23:33] <inariksit> or possessive suffixes, "also in my houses"
[19:23:43] <inariksit> talo-i-ssa-ni-kin
[19:24:17] <inariksit> (though the possessive suffixes are not really used that much in colloquial speech, except in some fixed expressions)
[19:24:22] <inariksit> but yeah there's plenty of potential
[19:24:22] <vin-ivar> oh, that's cool
[19:24:38] <vin-ivar> case suffixes on the noun are the best
[19:24:43] <inariksit> ^^
[19:24:51] <vin-ivar> German does them on the article :S
[19:25:13] <inariksit> verbs are fun too, you can get all kinds of nice non-finite forms
[19:25:51] <inariksit> finite forms are quite standard average european tense-mood-person (no aspect category) inflection
[19:26:48] <inariksit> there's a funny mood called potential (also not much in colloquial usage, but in literary texts), it's an affix that you add to the verb and it means you might do something
[19:26:53] <inariksit> syön = "I eat"
[19:27:01] <inariksit> "syönen" = I might eat
[19:28:18] <inariksit> the agglutination isn't always very clean and ideal though, there's quite a lot morphosyntactic fuzziness
[19:30:44] <inariksit> so if your motivation for learning is that you want to enjoy the aesthetic pleasure of attaching morpheme like pieces in a puzzle, you might get disappointed :-P there are nice paradigms like talo 'house', singular nom-gen-acc are just talo, talo-n, talo-a
[19:31:04] <inariksit> but you have words like lapsi 'child, which has those cases   lapsi, lapsen, lasta
[19:31:41] <inariksit> (ok sorry about the info dump, I'm procrastinating making my slides and this is perfect excuse :-P)
[19:31:47] <vin-ivar> yeah, that's kind of why I was leaning towards Turkish :P
[19:31:58] <vin-ivar> haha, it was interesting
[19:32:31] <vin-ivar> is Hungarian more.. conservative? it isn't very closely related to Finnish or Estonian, no?
[19:32:40] <inariksit> yeah no it isn't
[19:32:47] <inariksit> I don't know about how conservative it is
[19:32:53] <inariksit> I just know I can't understand anything
[19:33:22] <vin-ivar> haha
[19:34:06] <vin-ivar> agglutinativity is pretty cool, I've wanted to learn something for ages and I have exams now so perfect time to procrastinate :P
[19:34:36] <inariksit> ^^
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