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[10:08:36] ciklonas 1 - 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 [10:08:36] wow [10:08:36] nice codes XD [10:08:36] ciklonas 1 - 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 [21:59] [10:08:38] AGH [10:08:40] Unhammer, SILENT SCREAM [10:08:42] or not so silent [10:08:44] hahah [10:08:45] *** Joins: PacoP (c191e609@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.145.230.9) [10:08:48] "I was walking along the road with two friends – the sun was setting – suddenly the sky turned blood red – I paused, feeling exhausted, and leaned on the fence – there was ciklonas 1 - 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 http://is.gd/z31AgG " [10:08:52] true story [10:10:58] *** Quits: drbean (~drbean@124.219.83.42) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [10:11:47] NOUN sykloni 1 NOUN_RUUVI 5 False False False syklon sykloni weaken back syklon→i kotus False False NOUN [10:12:10] >_> [10:15:21] where is Sanskrit :o [10:15:26] the indian government demands compensation [10:15:48] they need to train experts in number language [10:16:05] D: [10:25:34] what is €free [10:25:53] the tshirt [10:26:08] ooh [10:26:09] sweet! [10:26:09] what really? [10:27:25] yes [10:31:37] lol [10:31:45] skruvstäd -> schraubstock [10:31:47] screw stick? [10:32:36] haha [10:32:42] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/st%C3%A4d [10:38:45] http://cloud.grammaticalframework.org/wc.html if you want to try the wide coverage [10:45:17] uh oh [10:45:19] brackets! [10:45:55] stack depth exceeded [10:49:51] *** Joins: drbean (~drbean@124.219.83.41) [10:52:02] *** Quits: drbean_ (~drbean@124.219.82.42) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [10:58:00] NUMBER LANGUAGE! [11:01:48] add this to begiak [11:01:54] haha [11:06:33] *** Joins: drbean_ (~drbean@124.219.82.41) [11:09:43] memduh: polarity in mkV paradigm? [11:09:46] inariksit: yes [11:10:03] *** Quits: drbean (~drbean@124.219.83.41) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [11:10:22] if the inflection of the verb depends on polarity, in a way that is more morphological changes than just adding some suffix or independent word later, then it makes sense to have the table inside a verb to depend on Polarity [11:10:42] and then keep those variants around all the way until UseCl, which finally introduces a polarity [11:10:42] well negation replaces the present indicative prefix [11:11:01] so "I am going" is diçim, "I am not going" is neçim [11:11:15] aha okay [11:11:17] di(PRI)+ç(ROOT)+im(Personal Agreement) [11:12:00] 龜 [11:12:00] U+FACE CJK COMPATIBILITY IDEOGRAPH-FACE [11:12:01] haha [11:12:04] if it's completely regular, you can also just keep a root around, and put a Boolean "isNeg" or something in the Pol type; and then in UseCl match "if isNeg, then "ne" ++ root [11:12:19] the unicode codepoint is 'FACE' for the character for 'FACE' [11:12:21] if not, then just the whole thing [11:12:25] if that is feasible [11:12:37] it's not completely regular [11:12:44] (i think) [11:12:49] e.g. you have na- also [11:12:51] if these things are very irregular, then you can just keep a table Polarity => Tense => Stuff => Stuff => Str around [11:12:58] or in whichever order [11:12:58] na is used too yeah [11:13:05] and then sometimes you get stuff in between [11:13:13] hopefully you can "peel off" some of the things already in the earlier stages [11:13:14] i mean, the negative prefix also encodes mood [11:13:14] and the modalverb "karîn" gets ni [11:13:44] negative occupies tam screeve [11:13:56] o_O [11:14:25] memduh: it's also fine just to start off with a simplified version [11:14:36] like "ok let's imagine we don't have tense, let's just add polarity" [11:14:42] and that is hopefully easier to get the one thing right [11:14:55] I dont think it would be too hard, just need to know the way to go about it [11:15:03] I guess thats true for everything though [11:15:06] :'( [11:15:08] from all the way from V/V2 to VP to VPSlash, ClSlash, Cl, RCl, S, and finally Phr [11:15:21] ok in the mini resource, you just have VP, Cl and S ^^ [11:15:37] is S like the S in a CFG? [11:15:42] or some other abbreviation [11:16:00] if you define "flags startcat=S" in the abstract, it means that "try to parse everything as a S" [11:16:48] (you can also give a flag "parse this string as something else) [11:16:48] [11:16:49] Lang> p -cat=NP "the cat" [11:16:49] DetCN (DetQuant DefArt NumSg) (UseN cat_N) [11:17:03] [11:17:04] Lang> p -cat=Cl "the cat sat" [11:17:04] PredVP (DetCN (DetQuant DefArt NumSg) (UseN cat_N)) (UseV sit_V) [11:17:08] [11:17:16] the difference between Cl and S is that, Cl can be any tense [11:17:18] in fact: [11:17:20] [11:17:30] Lang> p -cat=Cl "the cat sits" [11:17:30] PredVP (DetCN (DetQuant DefArt NumSg) (UseN cat_N)) (UseV sit_V) [11:17:32] [11:17:36] it's the same tree ^_^ [11:17:40] but if we parse it as S: [11:17:55] [11:17:56] Lang> p -cat=S "the cat sat" [11:17:56] UseCl (TTAnt TPast ASimul) PPos (PredVP (DetCN (DetQuant DefArt NumSg) (UseN cat_N)) (UseV sit_V)) [11:18:00] [11:18:26] now we have the TPast in the Tense; and if we parse "the cat sits", it's TPres instead [11:21:56] *** Quits: PacoP (c191e609@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.145.230.9) (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [12:16:34] spectei: how do we do a FunRP in basque? the example is "the mother of whom" [12:18:13] noren ama ? 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[12:41:50] oh [12:41:55] thank you vin-ivar [12:44:15] weirdly enough its the top line im getting the error for [12:44:49] inariksit: are these characters ok for variables? [12:45:08] also sometimes I get these strange space characters, which look like just normal spaces in sublime, but if I open the file in emacs, it shows as a red underscore [12:46:05] hmm I don't know actually; there was some change in the unicode support at some point, but I'm still keeping myself all variable names in ascii [12:47:34] yeah it was unicode O_o [12:47:50] okay so now it works? 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[15:15:26] yes [15:55:04] *** Joins: drbean (~drbean@124.219.82.42) [15:58:21] *** Quits: drbean_ (~drbean@124.219.83.42) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [16:00:33] *** Quits: dbamzie (c191e609@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.145.230.9) (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [16:26:20] would it be useful to port pgf to python3 [16:26:53] i have a whole month free and this sounds fun+useful [16:27:06] vin-ivar, treebank! [16:27:09] and that! [16:27:12] :D [16:27:29] right now, slight problem because GF needs python2 and other stuffs need python3 [16:27:36] so i need to hardcode some stuff [16:28:31] okay, so [16:28:43] jag äter valen -> *bunch of trees with ambiguous mkN* [16:28:57] oh [16:29:00] that's not the translation... [16:29:19] nice troll [16:29:22] ;D [16:30:06] i'm wondering if i should do dependencies with gf or just use the input sentence and do it with udpipe [16:30:29] because GF dependencies doesn't give lemmas [16:31:09] SL lemmas you mean? 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ROOT"] ; [16:32:40] n5 [label = "1. jag"] ; [16:32:41] n7 [label = "2. äter"] ; [16:32:42] n12 [label = "3. valmöjligheterna"] ; [16:32:43] n12 -> n5 [label = "dep"] ; [16:32:44] n12 -> n7 [label = "dep"] ; [16:32:45] n19 -> n12 [label = "dep"] ; [16:32:46] } [16:32:47] oh [16:32:49] weird [16:32:57] i thought it gave abstract categories [16:33:08] (or could do) [16:33:11] it does in the parse trees [16:33:18] so the trees are: [16:33:37] PhrUtt NoPConj (UttS (UseCl (TTAnt TPres ASimul) PPos (PredVP (UsePron i_Pron) (ComplSlash (SlashV2a eat_V2) (DetCN (DetQuant DefArt NumSg) (UseN pick_N)))))) NoVoc [16:33:37] PhrUtt NoPConj (UttS (UseCl (TTAnt TPres ASimul) PPos (PredVP (UsePron i_Pron) (ComplSlash (SlashV2a eat_V2) (DetCN (DetQuant DefArt NumSg) (UseN poll_N)))))) NoVoc [16:33:37] PhrUtt NoPConj (UttS (UseCl (TTAnt TPres ASimul) PPos (PredVP (UsePron i_Pron) (ComplSlash (SlashV2a eat_V2) (DetCN (DetQuant DefArt NumSg) (UseN selection_N)))))) NoVoc [16:33:37] PhrUtt NoPConj (UttS (UseCl (TTAnt TPres ASimul) PPos (PredVP (UsePron i_Pron) (ComplSlash (SlashV2a eat_V2) (DetCN (DetQuant DefArt NumSg) (UseN whale_N)))))) NoVoc [16:33:38] PhrUtt NoPConj (UttS (UseCl (TTAnt TPres ASimul) PPos (PredVP (UsePron i_Pron) (ComplSlash (SlashV2a eat_V2) (DetCN (DetQuant DefArt NumPl) (UseN choice_N)))))) NoVoc [16:33:39] PhrUtt NoPConj (UttS (UseCl (TTAnt TPres ASimul) PPos (PredVP (UsePron i_Pron) (ComplSlash (SlashV2a eat_V2) (DetCN (DetQuant DefArt NumPl) (UseN election_N)))))) NoVoc [16:33:59] so i could linearise all of these to english [16:34:30] diff them and lift the lemmas [16:34:35] and pass that + sv lemma [16:34:37] and pick one [16:34:41] the problem is lemmas [16:35:10] i need some lemmatisation [16:39:13] i could use apertium lol [16:39:39] ^^ [16:39:44] interoperability! 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[16:50:17] inariksit: Ill figure this out somehow [16:50:29] you can always ask me more :) [16:50:34] thank you [17:04:40] *** Quits: spectei (~fran@ilazki.thinkgeek.co.uk) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [17:24:01] *** Joins: drbean (~drbean@124.219.83.41) [17:26:57] *** Quits: drbean_ (~drbean@124.219.83.41) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:04:49] *** Joins: spectre (~fran@84.120.241.159.dyn.user.ono.com) [18:54:25] *** Joins: drbean_ (~drbean@124.219.82.41) [18:56:31] *** Quits: drbean (~drbean@124.219.83.41) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:12:22] how is it for kin [20:12:26] now it's saying "zuekkin" [20:12:29] for "with you" [20:12:40] 'sec [20:13:01] zuekin [20:13:12] ^zuekin/zuek+ekin$ [20:13:22] thanks! [20:25:22] *** Joins: drbean (~drbean@124.219.83.42) [20:27:16] *** Quits: drbean_ (~drbean@124.219.82.41) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [20:40:11] vin-ivar: add :../swedish to TranslateSwe [20:42:47] inariksit, got it [20:42:48] thanks! [20:43:46] np ^^ [20:43:52] spectre: wow this is suspicious http://mylanguages.org/basque_pronouns.php [20:44:08] me me [20:44:08] you duzu [20:44:08] him zuen [20:44:08] her bere [20:44:08] us gurekin [20:44:09] them horiek [20:44:33] wtf [20:44:35] looks like bad phrase table [20:44:46] don't worry, I'm not trusting a word on that site :-D [20:45:08] "Personal pronouns, indefinite pronouns, relative pronouns, reciprocal or reflexive pronouns have a very important role in Basque, therefore they need very special attention. Once you're done with the Euskara Pronouns, you might want to check the rest of our Basque lessons here: Learn Basque. Don't forget to bookmark this page." [20:45:09] I was just looking for a comprehensive table of pronouns in all forms [20:45:10] o_O [20:45:13] i can make one [20:45:19] cool! [20:45:19] using a mechanical brain [20:45:22] wow [20:45:25] yeah [20:46:15] lin above_Prep : Prep ; [20:46:15] lin after_Prep : Prep ; [20:46:15] lin before_Prep : Prep ; [20:46:15] lin behind_Prep : Prep ; [20:46:15] lin between_Prep : Prep ; [20:46:15] lin by8agent_Prep : Prep ; -- by (agent) [20:46:16] lin by8means_Prep : Prep ; -- by (means of) [20:46:16] lin during_Prep : Prep ; [20:46:17] lin except_Prep : Prep ; [20:46:17] lin for_Prep = mkPrep "tzat" Gen True ; [20:46:17] lin from_Prep = mkPrep "tik" ; [20:46:18] lin in8front_Prep : Prep ; -- in front of [20:46:19] lin in_Prep = mkPrep "n" ; [20:46:19] lin on_Prep : Prep ; [20:47:09] above = -(r)en gainean [20:49:27] above_Prep = mkPrep "gainean" Abs False ; [20:49:35] aah s/Abs/Gen/ [20:49:41] I added Gen as a case [20:49:48] because pronouns [20:49:54] on = ok [20:50:05] to which stem it attaches? [20:50:19] can you inflect zuek in all of them? [20:50:27] except = -z gain [20:50:28] zuek seems like the most irregular, with zuen as the genitive [20:50:50] well "most irregular", of those I've seen, which are not much [20:51:03] by8agent_Prep = Erg -k [20:51:15] I have apertium-eus but not apertium-eus-eng/spa, and I was just typing stuff to try to guess some forms :-D [20:51:48] i think "during_Prep" is just Ine -n [20:52:00] Ine is -en? [20:52:07] yeah [20:52:11] well -(e)n [20:52:15] Bilbon [20:52:15] so far Case is Abs | Dat | Erg | Gen | Par [20:52:17] Donostian [20:52:17] oh yeah [20:52:25] Madrilen [20:52:38] i wouldn't make Ine a case [20:52:41] yeah [20:52:43] it's an attached postp [20:52:52] can pronouns take it? [20:52:56] in me [20:52:57] in you [20:53:47] behind = -(r)en atzean [20:53:56] but 'atze' is one of these "relational nouny things" [20:54:01] okay [20:54:03] e.g. that is in.behind [20:54:07] but you could have atzetik [20:54:09] from.behind [20:54:14] but it's fine to do mkprep "atzean" Gen False [20:54:21] yeah [20:54:24] cool [20:54:29] I can just do the ones that are easy ^^ [20:55:05] this Phono => Str is annoying, the Phono would need to be added to so many things [20:55:14] or find some great regularities that can be exploited [20:55:25] or beg for Krasimir to implement a post construction, just like pre [20:55:29] that would be the easiest [20:55:38] for all the forms of article and case in basque [20:55:51] ok I'm adding those you said so far, and stop complaining :-D [20:58:11] by8means_Prep = -z [20:58:31] between = -(r)en artean [20:59:04] (for place) [20:59:12] but bitartean (for time) [20:59:58] before_Prep = gabe [21:00:56] behind_Prep = -(r)en atzean [21:01:04] between = -(r)en artean [21:01:14] by8agent_Prep = -k -- Erg [21:01:22] by8means_Prep = -z -- Ins [21:01:34] during_Prep= -n -- Ine [21:01:41] except_Prep = -z gain [21:02:49] in8front_Prep = -n aurrean [21:02:54] ops [21:02:58] in8front_Prep = -(r)en aurrean [21:03:30] on_Prep = -(r)en gainean [21:03:49] [21:05:49] lin possess_Prep = mkPrep [] Gen False ; -- choose Gen case, add empty string without BIND [21:05:49] lin through_Prep : Prep ; [21:05:49] lin to_Prep = mkPrep "ra" ; [21:05:49] lin under_Prep : Prep ; [21:05:49] lin with_Prep = mkPrep "kin" ; [21:05:50] lin without_Prep = mkPrep "gabe" Par False | mkPrep "gabe" Abs False ; [21:07:52] under_Prep = -(r)en azpian [21:10:08] through_Prep = -(e)n barrena [23:21:32] *** Joins: Gurkenglas (Gurkenglas@dslb-178-005-223-183.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de) [23:43:31] *** Joins: drbean_ (~drbean@124.219.83.42) [23:45:21] *** Quits: drbean (~drbean@124.219.83.42) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)